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Post by DM Chris on Feb 14, 2015 1:19:32 GMT
Haha. Yeah I was so pissed when the thing happened. I also loved when the other "thing" when she stepped into the fire. So good.
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Post by dm_mainprize on Feb 14, 2015 1:38:42 GMT
OOOOOO THE OTHER THING!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 4:27:40 GMT
I read an article recently that gave me a chuckle... So season 5 is coming up, and given the production cycle of making these shows, HBO basically has to get to work on season 6 nowish.
Difficulty: book 6 isn't being released until 2016.
So HBO has to make assumptions from Martin's outline (which he might change), create their own stories in the setting but not based on the "main" storyline, or skip a year of producing the show.
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Post by DM Chris on Feb 14, 2015 5:11:21 GMT
I had heard that they were bumping up against what was already written and what they had produced in the television series. I haven't read the books yet so I probably won't mind whatever they come up with but with that said it will be interesting to see the communities reaction when the book does come out.
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Post by DM Mitch on Feb 14, 2015 19:09:53 GMT
My hopes is that they simply make s6 be "additional" story, rather then just putting the show on hold. I don't think putting it on hold is a wise choice for the show. It would be interesting to see them do something along the lines of what the show Sparticus did when the lead actor got sick, and made a prequel season. Show us some origin stories etc. I'd be more then down for that.
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Post by DMC on Feb 16, 2015 16:20:00 GMT
I don't understand why S5 has to be both Book4 and Book5 in one season. Hell, S3 and S4 were both all from Book3. Why not pace yourselves?
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Post by friartook on Feb 16, 2015 19:03:56 GMT
I'd heard at some point that Martin had an active hand in writing the HBO series. So hopefully, even if the series gets ahead of the books, it will still retain its quality and continuity.
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Post by dm_mainprize on Feb 17, 2015 2:15:30 GMT
Ya GRRM is very active in the shows process and I am pretty sure I read in article in which it was stated that he has told DB and DW(the shows writers), the ending of the story. So even if they pass him or tragically if he is unable to finish the books the story will still be able to be told.
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Post by friartook on Feb 17, 2015 4:24:44 GMT
On the subject of books vs. film adaptations:
"My books are fine. They're right up there on the shelf, untouched. Whatever the movies tried to do to them is their business and besides, it didn't work, because my books are just fine." —Raymond Chandler
Quote quoted from a comment on a facebook post on the subject of the GoT adaptation of Martin's books and the inconsistencies between the two versions of the story.
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Post by DM Chris on Feb 17, 2015 5:30:36 GMT
Ya GRRM is very active in the shows process and I am pretty sure I read in article in which it was stated that he has told DB and DW(the shows writers), the ending of the story. So even if they pass him or tragically if he is unable to finish the books the story will still be able to be told. I almost wonder, if unfortunately he does pass away before the ending, if he will do something similar to Robert Jordan and the wheel of time. Its possible and I hope so despite never having read the Game of Thrones books yet.
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Post by dm_mainprize on Feb 17, 2015 14:52:05 GMT
On the subject of books vs. film adaptations: Adaptation are tricky business man. I am really torn on how to view them. Its either compare them to their source material and rip them to shreds, or allow them to be retellings of a beloved story and accept the changes to a story I view as sacred. It's tough.
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Post by friartook on Feb 17, 2015 15:12:59 GMT
You have to do both, and take it with a grain of salt. I have no problem with a well done adaptation and I feel there has to be a lot of room for artistic license when switching mediums. There's a big difference in how a story can be conveyed in a book vs. a film vs. a graphic novel.
I think the Game of Thrones series is a well done adaptation. Martin is a master of storytelling and there are just too many characters and sub plots for a TV viewing audience.
That being said, I feel that what was done to The Hobbit was a travesty. As a huge Tolkien fan, I loved the LotR adaptations. They did a great job, kept in the necessary parts and left out the parts that non-Tolkien fans would have found weird or confusing (thinking of Tom Bombadil here). The Hobbit, on the other hand, was a hairs breadth away from being a full rewrite. Which may have been ok, except that 1. Expectations were set high with the LotR movies, and 2. The Hobbit is one of the most beloved stories in the world. It feels like a money grab. The Hobbit is not a trilogy, its a stand alone prequel to LotR. If they had put all their efforts into making one long, great film, they could have made something truly sublime. Instead, they tried to cash in on a trilogy and hoped it would make as much money as the LotR trilogy.
I guess there's the rub: when an adaptation is done for profit and money, its pretty likely to be bad. When its done by those who respect the source material and seek to adapt it to a new artistic medium, then a quality product is often made. Ironically, the latter method seems to yield more profit. People can smell a con job.
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Post by dm_mainprize on Feb 18, 2015 1:18:58 GMT
Friar, I dont know if you are aware of a podcast called Tolkien Professor but it is an amazing thing. The host is Corey Olsen a professor who has been reading studying and teaching tolkiens writings for practically his whole life. On his podcast he did 6 episodes, 2 per hobbit movie discussing the adaptation and has some very very interesting things to say about them. I went into those review episodes hating the Hobbit trilogy, he has some insights and points that made me rethink the entire trilogy and adaptation. I ended up rewatching all of them with some of his ideas and concepts in my head and had a much more enjoyable time. I still dont think the story they tell is convincing and there are parts I could do with out(i'm looking at you ninja legolas), but it might help heal the hurt of the hobbit movies as a whole. I also suggest finding the 4 and 1/2 hour super cut that is out there on the web and watching it as well. He also address "crit-fic" and the shameless money grab concepts that a lot of us hobbit trilogy haters tend to uses when analyzing the story Jackson and Co. present in the films. In the end I dont hate them, and maybe you wont either. Just food for thought.
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Post by DMC on Feb 23, 2015 17:51:56 GMT
Chris, progressed any further on GoT yet?
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Post by DM Chris on Feb 23, 2015 18:01:25 GMT
Yup, I got part way through the episode where John Snow meets the red headed women north of the wall and captures her after she runs away. It is episode 7 of season 2. So getting there.
It is so good!
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