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Post by dmsam on Jun 3, 2016 1:09:03 GMT
After reviewing some of the clerical/healing spells vs the raise dead spells, I noticed that regrowth or reattachment of a limb requires regenerate, a 7th level spell, making it more difficult to RAISE THE DEAD THAN TO REATTACH A LIMB. WHAT?
My question to the DM hive-mind is this: Do you allow for reattachment of severed body-parts with lesser heal spells or raise dead (decapitation, etc)? Even in real life, a cleanly severed limb (barring extensive crush injuries) is way more likely to be reattached than a person 10 days dead being resurrected.
Raise Dead (excerpt): This spell closes all mortal wounds, but it doesn’t restore missing body parts. If the creature is lacking body parts or organs integral for its survival—its head, for instance—the spell automatically fails.
Say a humanoid creature was decapitated less than 10 days ago, and both the head and the body are available during raise dead (so it's not "missing" per wording of the spell), would you rule that the spell reattaches the severed head - and by extension, other severed body parts?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2016 1:31:07 GMT
There's a couple nuances to these spells that can help explain the discrepancy, if that is indeed what you perceive in them.
Raise Dead uses an expensive material component. How a pricey diamond works toward facilitating the magical energy involved is DM fiat, but one might assume it somehow augments the energy. That is, you might think of a 5th level spell + expensive material component as being similar to a 7th level spell without, in terms of how much magical energy is getting tossed around.
Second, regenerate can wholly recreate a severed limb. It takes a bit of time to grow. The alternative is to shove the stumps together, in which case the limb reattaches instantly. We may infer that regrowing the limb requires more energy than simply reattaching it. Regrowing limbs is beyond the magic of a 5th level spell, but reattaching is doable. Hence, I would allow a decapitated body to be affected by Raise Dead, assuming the head is available.
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Post by dmxtrordinari on Jul 27, 2016 8:02:42 GMT
I think the wording of the Raise Dead spell implies "missing" in terms being "attached" as opposed to "Oh damn where is Fred's head? Gosh we can't do the spell now until we find his skull!"
If the body did not have a head, heart, lungs, ect attached I wouldn't allow Raise Dead to reattach said body parts as part of the spell. One because their exists the higher level spells specifically designed to restore or regenerate missing limbs and two because Raise Dead specifically states it closes all mortal wounds and doesn't restore missing body parts. Using both those phrases in the same sentence to me implies that an decapitation wound would close even if you placed the head back on.
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Post by frohtastic on Jul 28, 2016 22:07:04 GMT
I think the wording of the Raise Dead spell implies "missing" in terms being "attached" as opposed to "Oh damn where is Fred's head? Gosh we can't do the spell now until we find his skull!" Does give a nice idea of jokers putting animal parts togheter instead of his actual body parts
I guess we now know where satyrs come from!
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Post by dmsam on Jul 28, 2016 23:28:37 GMT
I guess xenografts are available already. . .do you think they'll need to take Prograf?
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