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Post by grimmhelm on Apr 28, 2016 7:00:26 GMT
Soooooooo Flipping through the Player's handbook and the DM's guide I noticed a lack of both of these gods, despite the fact that they list all the gods in the players handbook along with the Celtic, Greek, Egyptian and Norse Deities.
I realise that we just had a big event with 'The Sundering' so I may have missed a bunch of stuff but can someone tell me what happened to these gods?
Avandra is normally my god of choice and a few of my players are partial to there own dark queen even in good campaigns, it would be nice to be able to give them an actual response to why we can't seem to track them down.
It's fine if they ether have not included them or wiped them out entirely I can work around that easily enough, it would just be nice to know.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2016 8:26:06 GMT
Avandra and the Raven Queen were new to D&D as of 4e. The DMG lists them in the Dawn War pantheon (p.11), a sample pantheon drawn from various sources and the default pantheon for 4e. Also keep in mind that 4e's default setting is the Nentir Vale, not Faerun. The Sundering was an event specific to Faerun.
If you're playing in the FR setting using gods from the Dawn War pantheon, what happened to Avandra and the Raven Queen is entirely up to you. The only overlap between Dawn War and Faerun pantheons is Bane. He died during the Time of Troubles, but made a come back.
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Post by grimmhelm on Apr 28, 2016 8:39:29 GMT
Ah, OK so the Nentir Vale was it's own little world with its own set gods.
Good to know, We were playing in the Forgotten Realms in 4E and simply slipped them in so I must have got my wires crossed, Still it's nice to know they are still around I will most likely continue to slide them into our 5E FR - which if I'm not mistaken is the primary setting this time around.
Still it's nice to be able to tell them what went wonky ^^;
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2016 19:52:28 GMT
Correct on all counts.
The bad news is they won't be producing any new content involving those deities. The good news is DMs have ultimate creative control over their own games, including which gods they include.
I've heard from a lot of DMs about struggling with the abundance of lore in the Forgotten Realms, and the best response is "multiverse." That is, each table is a different Faerun. When and how Avandra and the Raven Queen arrived in your Faerun is up to you. Maybe they've always been there, maybe they're recent arrivals heralded by planeswalking priests. Maybe the Time of Troubles and the Sundering never happened!
Trying to be "100% true to canon" is a fool's errand, and not just because there's so much lore tied up in FR. If the players at one table beat Tiamat at the end of Tyranny of Dragons, and another group wiped, which is the "true Faerun?" Apply this question to altering the history of Faerun, including changes to the pantheon, and you'll get the same result.
In the (frankly, unlikely) event that a player contests some fact of history or lore, and supports his claim with citations, a DM can go along with it, or revise the canon to suit his game. Neither approach is right or wrong, unless you explicitly stated you're trying to run the game as close to canon as possible.
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