Samuel Wise
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Post by Samuel Wise on Jun 28, 2015 1:39:21 GMT
The upper pig skin leather is what I would vote fore (adding a vote in this thread would be an awesome idea...). And I'll echoed Joatmoniac: the preliminary blueprints appear almost to be a bounded book, which I view as a beautiful thing.
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Post by Tesla Ranger on Jun 28, 2015 6:22:53 GMT
The upper pig skin leather is what I would vote fore (adding a vote in this thread would be an awesome idea...). And I'll echoed Joatmoniac: the preliminary blueprints appear almost to be a bounded book, which I view as a beautiful thing. A poll is a pretty good idea. There's a few options too, but those are the two I could just grab a picture of real quick. I have some fabric that would probably work (cotton/polyester blend) structurally, but isn't really the right aesthetic. I can probably find some sort of cardstock or laminate that might work. I would normally use Stone Oiled leather for something like this since it wears awesomely but using it here would bump it out of the target price range. With this build it's looking like the final price would be in the ballpark of $50 which is just inside the target range. Edit: I don't want to toss too much in a poll but it would be nice to find out if there's a preference between felt or cork for the bottom of the base. I keep going back and forth myself
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Post by friartook on Jun 29, 2015 5:22:41 GMT
I'd say cork the base, felt line the lid. That way the lid could be used as a dice tray.
Yes...I have been resisting the urge to buy a felt lined dice tray. Don't judge me.
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Post by Tesla Ranger on Jun 29, 2015 21:10:16 GMT
Most of the lid is taken up by a big suede or cloth envelope for holding papers and possibly a book or two (since they just happen to fit in that space). I reckon I'll line the bottom with felt though (maybe green, maybe not) and a couple of those compartments would make good dice trays. I'd planned to use one for party minis, one for random minis, 2 for tokens, 2 for index cards, and a nice long one for rolling.
I've been wrestling with a problem this morning that I have X amount of plywood to cut Y amount of partitions, but I can only get Y-1 partitions out of it. Meanwhile, once I add up the accurate price for the plywood, plus all the leather and other materials, and I'd need to charge ~$100 using this design.
I expect I'll be going back to the drawing board to sort these wrinkles out. I'm probably going to have to make the whole thing a bit smaller though, which will be regrettable because then it won't fit letter size paper or source books.
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Post by Samuel Wise on Jun 29, 2015 21:50:45 GMT
I've been wrestling with a problem this morning that I have X amount of plywood to cut Y amount of partitions, but I can only get Y-1 partitions out of it. Meanwhile, once I add up the accurate price for the plywood, plus all the leather and other materials, and I'd need to charge ~$100 using this design. Sounds like a math curve (some of my favorite work).
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Post by Tesla Ranger on Jun 29, 2015 22:03:41 GMT
I've been wrestling with a problem this morning that I have X amount of plywood to cut Y amount of partitions, but I can only get Y-1 partitions out of it. Meanwhile, once I add up the accurate price for the plywood, plus all the leather and other materials, and I'd need to charge ~$100 using this design. Sounds like a math curve (some of my favorite work). Close enough, though it's a bit complicated with 6 different materials to account for. Anytime I change the pattern I have to go back and update all the measurements to see how close I am. At the moment I'm looking into replacing the plywood with hardboard. It's about as cheap as material gets so there's some hope there.
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Post by Samuel Wise on Jun 29, 2015 22:14:36 GMT
Sounds like a math curve (some of my favorite work). Close enough, though it's a bit complicated with 6 different materials to account for. Anytime I change the pattern I have to go back and update all the measurements to see how close I am. At the moment I'm looking into replacing the plywood with hardboard. It's about as cheap as material gets so there's some hope there. I would be willing to pay 100 for a nice carrying case, but most here probably wouldn't. I'm excited to see the conclusion of this.
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Post by Tesla Ranger on Jun 29, 2015 22:34:00 GMT
Yeah, I really want to keep it at a max of about $60. That means I can't spend more than X on materials, but the plywood alone equals X and the leather runs a bit over X.
I'll come up with a solution eventually. It's just a matter of experimenting, research, and experimenting some more. Fortunately, I like making boxes. They tend to seem utter simplicity but there's a deceptive amount of engineering that goes into a well made box.
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Post by joatmoniac on Jun 29, 2015 23:56:18 GMT
Sounds like there is most certainly going to be a box at the end of this road, and I have no doubt it will bean awesome box!
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Post by Tesla Ranger on Jun 30, 2015 0:13:44 GMT
If not it certainly won't be for lack of trying! I've managed to figure out how to make the box for just under $70, but if I use some snaps (or something else similarly inexpensive) to hold the whole thing closed instead of some fancy clasps it drops down to $40 flat. I have a pair of these padlock clasps I've been holding onto for eternity for just such a project and I'm almost certainly going to use them on the prototype. They're about $6 a pop now though and a snap, even a fancy one, can do the same job for with a much smaller impact on the bottomline. I specialize in custom work anyway so I'm not that worried about the prototype deviating from the "baseline" too much. Just means I need to make more boxes. In the meantime the hardboard presents its own challenges. It's not very staple or nail friendly so I need to find another method to hold everything together. Probably some combination of fancy joints and glue. And I bet you thought the 3.5 crafting mechanic was involved. =P
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Samuel Wise
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Post by Samuel Wise on Jun 30, 2015 0:22:49 GMT
Just have to say, that is an awesome looking padlock.
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Post by joatmoniac on Jun 30, 2015 1:55:31 GMT
I think players often don't realize that short of magic crafting something is a very intense process. This thread alone sheds a lot of light on how things are made. I know we linked some of the production videos of geek swords and how intense that process was. Despite having modern tools things take time and effort short of mass production of the item. Those clasps look awesome btw.
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Post by Samuel Wise on Jun 30, 2015 2:08:47 GMT
Magic Crafting could be considered difficult. Peter Pan, however just has to shake pixy dust everywhere. Instant magical items (and there is a fun idea for an item).
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Post by Tesla Ranger on Jun 30, 2015 6:21:33 GMT
Magic Crafting could be considered difficult. Peter Pan, however just has to shake pixy dust everywhere. Instant magical items (and there is a fun idea for an item). 15% chance that said magical item turns out to be a mimic? 10% chance it's cursed? Some fun could be had with that notion. =P Yarr, it's definitely a process. I was hoping to be farther along with the draft but I'd much rather sort these problems out before I start cutting material. I'm making things a little easier for the prototype by using the materials I have on hand, not necessarily the ones I would use for a production model bound by a certain price range. It'll still let me test out the pattern and the process and that'll help quite a lot. There's three or four "side bars" that are just "off screen" where I'm working out how the wood gets cut, patterns for smaller parts, cross sections, etc. When the draft's finally finished finished I can start working on preparing parts and working out the order of operations. There's some tricky things going on with rivets and dovetails and linings and everything's go to go into place in just the right way. I'm rather looking forward to seeing how this thing turns out once it's all finished!
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Post by Tesla Ranger on Jul 1, 2015 15:07:16 GMT
Work is progressing, diligently if somewhat slowly. Most of the fiberboard and plywood is cut, though I still need to do some trimming and cut the joints. I'm using some old scrap I had laying around so there's posterboard glued to some of the fiberboard. I don't think it'll be a problem, but I don't really have the time to do anything about it. Today's a holiday up here in Canada but I'll be spending the morning working to try and get the prototype finished by the end of the week. I'm working on the applique now and after spending yesterday making a great sawdust mess it's nice to just do some simple carving.
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