Athikin
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Favorite D&D Class: Wizard
Favorite D&D Race: Gnome
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Post by Athikin on Apr 22, 2016 11:35:01 GMT
On page 200 of the 5e DMG it says "If the spell is on your class's spell list, you can use an action to read the scroll and cast its spell without having to provide any of the spell's components. Otherwise, the scroll is unintelligible" which implies to me that you can't use the scroll if it isn't on your list.
At the same time, on page 139 it says "Any creature that can understand a written language can read the arcane script on a scroll and attempt to activate it", but no detail is given as to how to determine if activation succeeds.
Reason I ask is because I have a min-maxy rouge that is trying to acquire a scroll of summon familiar. |
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Post by dmsam on Apr 22, 2016 15:13:06 GMT
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Athikin
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Post by Athikin on Apr 22, 2016 17:19:55 GMT
Thank you dmsam, funny it's the exact question! Even with arcane trickster, rouges only get access to enchantment and illusion spells (with the exception of the three spells from any school at 8th, 14th and 20th level). Find Familiar is conjuration ritual, so I don't think it will happen.
Use magic device, maybe, but that's not until level 13, and we are at level 3.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2016 18:44:34 GMT
I vaguely recall a discussion about this on the old WotC forums, and I believe the majority conclusion was that "scroll" and "spell scroll" are not the same thing. It's confusing, but there you have it.
In the DMG, the only example of a "scroll" is Scroll of Protection. Anyone can use it. DMs are also welcome to invent their own, of course! The effect of reading a scroll may be identical to a normal spell, or could create an entirely unique effect. In the case of Scroll of Protection, it's a weaker, mobile version of Magic Circle. Explaining how anyone can read the arcane script on such a scroll is narrative fluff. I consider it an additional enchantment placed on the scroll itself.
A "spell scroll" duplicates the exact effect of a spell, and must be on your class's spell list.
That's just the RAW as I interpret it. You could make spell scrolls readable by everyone, or make scrolls readable only by certain classes without seriously imbalancing the game, contingent on the rarity of scrolls/spell scrolls in your campaign.
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Post by joatmoniac on Apr 22, 2016 21:35:17 GMT
I agree with dmsam that Arcane Trickster would be the quickest way to get access to the spell. Through scroll or otherwise. Also, the Trickster is not limited to those two schools but instead "You know three 1st-level wizard spells of your choice, two of which you must choose from the enchantment and illusion spells on the wizard spell list. PHB p.98" So there is one spell that you know that you could have be the Find Familiar spell, or anything really. From there it is definitely only the spell at 8th, 14th, and 20th. I would also have to assume that due to that the entire Wizard spell list is open to the player, and in turn any spell scroll could be used by them. The other thing would be rolling to use spell scroll of levels higher than they can cast with from DMG pg.200, "DC is 10+spell level, check uses spell casting ability." So yeah, pretty sure if they really really wanted it they could Arcane Trickster it at 3rd, but that would be the only way as a rogue. Very interesting topic!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2016 0:13:18 GMT
Alternatives to Arcane Trickster are the Magic Initiate feat, Ritual Caster feat, or multiclass a level in wizard.
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